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 Post subject: PolyPorter
PostPosted: August 16th, 2006, 4:06 pm 
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I received your disc on the PolyPorter today. Looks like a great tool - but. The design has application only for movement in one direction only, and a benefit for use in a pipe yard.
If it could be on a swivel or pivot or swivel that would rotate 90 degrees, so that it can pick up the pipe AND have the capability of moving it down parallel to the ditch line. That would be an outstanding feature and one we can certainly use in the field. Something similar to the carts that were/are available for the 4" - 8" butt fusion machines.

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PostPosted: August 16th, 2006, 4:07 pm 
Thanks for your feedback. You have a good suggestion and one that we have considered. If fact, our first prototypes included the pivot or swivel. However, after building several field test units, the contractors we worked with to "prove out" the design, asked us to remove that feature. They found that it created an awkward balance situation, making the pipe and PolyPorter difficult to control.

A great majority of the job site staging of polyethylene (PE) pipe takes advantage of it flexibility. Most joining work is performed at one location and the pipe (because of is light weight, flexibility, and strong butt fused joints) is pulled through the machine - many times directly into the ditch from one end. Each machine is equipped with some type of pipe lift and roller to facilitate this method of joining. The conventional method of pipe lining or spotting the pipe along the ditch or right-of-way (as in the case of steel pipe) and moving the equipment for each joint is avoided because it is not as efficient. Because this type of staging and the feedback we received, we opted to remove that feature from the PolyPorter.
For a better explanation of this highly productive "fuse-in-place" method, take a look at the following animation: http://www.mcelroymfg.com/fusion/flash/pipestnd.htm

Of course the PolyPorter would take the place of both the loading equipment and the pipe stands in this example.

To get a look at the presentation that was on the CD promotional mailer go to: http://www.mcelroymfg.com/fusion/machin ... porter.htm


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You can move the pipe parallel to the ditch. We use some of the first PolyPorters McElroy built. Keep in mind, they work like a pipe roller too. If you want to move the pipe long ways or parallel to the ditch, use 3 of them.

You use #1 and #2 to pick the pipe up from the bundle. Then stage a 3rd one about 20 feet down the right-of-way or along side the ditch. The roller in the first 2 will let you easily slide the pipe to the #3 PolyPorter. Then you take #1 and wheel him down another 20 feet or so. Then just keep swapping the one on the ends.

Doing it this way, I can move a 40 foot stick of heavy 8" pipe by myself down the right-of-way. I can pick it up from the bundle, move 120 feet down, and load it into the McElroy fuser in about 2 minutes. Thats faster than getting someone to help, taking the backhoe of the trenching, and straining your back.


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PostPosted: August 16th, 2006, 4:07 pm 
That's a great tip! Thanks for sharing it. This type of exchange is part of the reason we set up the discussion forum.
Regarding your tip - it used to be that pipe stands were heavy and difficult to move by yourself. With the PolyPorter, we need to get out of that "don't move the pipe stand" mode of thinking.

Again - what a great tip.


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We just started using our PolyPorters. Another great use we found is to move the pipe after its fused.
We usually fuse up several lengths of pipe along the right-of-way and then trench at a later date. You can use the PolyPorter to move the pipe out of the way of the trencher or backhoe.


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You can also use it to lift the pipe right next to the bead so the inspector can look at the bead all the way around the joint.


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Can you use it to lower the pipe into the ditch? This could have some real advantage on the jobsite.


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Certainly.
I would suggest using the PolyPorter set to a low height, as this gives you more lifting capability and better control when unloading the pipe.


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Thanks for the fast reply. With only 300 lb rating, can I pick up a length of fused pipe?


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Droop in the pipe will only let you pickup a limited length. Additional units may be spaced as needed to pickup longer lengths.
Another alternative is to start at one end and work down the pipe. Sometimes the rest of the pipe will follow once part of it is in the ditch.


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How muchdoes this thing weigh? It looks like it would take up a lot of room in the truck too. Your old pipe stand lay flat.


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PostPosted: August 16th, 2006, 4:11 pm 
The PolyPorter has a total weight of only 57 lbs. The total assembled height is 32". However, it can be collapsed to half that height by pulling one pins for easy storage.
You can get a complete spec sheet for the PolyPorter at: http://www.mcelroymfg.com/fusion/machin ... porter.pdf


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Are the tires solid rubber? They don't look big enough for the kind of conditions we have on a job site. Has anyone had any problems with the tires?


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The tires on the poly porter are pnenmatic 3.50-5 12" diameter. these tires work great on rough terrain and you should not have a problem in using the poly porter.


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Hey Guys,,My name is Rich Binko and i was the inventor of the Poly Porter.Its Great to see all the feedback comming in so positive.The bottom line is anywon who has done this type of work in the field would never want to go back to the old methods of handling the pipe,i wish i thought of it sooner.Our lower backs would be the better for it..thanks,Rich


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